M: OK. Well. I wanted to talk a little bit about your objects and some of the stuff you have been making recently. I’ve been thinking a lot about your use of the multiple –– your use of the multiple as a form of altered reality. Specifically the things you had in the show at Kate Werble Gallery. You made these multiple twigs. And so each one seems exactly like the next one and they were meticulously painted? or actually found?… I’m just curious, you know, what your relationship to the multiple is and to the uncanny? You know what I’m getting at here.

K: I think that example is a good one to use. In that piece in particular there are four identical branches that are representative of the four characters in the film.

M: Oh yeah, that’s right, you told me that.

K: Three of them are displayed in an upright position and the other upside down in another room, representing the missing character in the jungle.

M: Cool.

K: I think the underlying interest there is, again, this incident in the Amazon. The presentation of myself in four parts was a very overwhelming motif of the ayahuasca experience. So, the impossibility of being four things, identical, simultaneous, but as separate objects got me spinning. Making these things is representing that impossibility.

M: I think that’s good. I don’t know how it will come out on the tape, but I totally understand what you are saying. Let’s see, I have a couple of questions that are not exactly related to your work, but they are about your outlook and stuff like that. Do you mind if we go on to those?

K: Please.